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My brain has kicked loose a sequel to my Take That WW I story, Some Desperate Glory.

Title: The Heart's Long Peace
Fandom: Take That
Pairings: Howard/Jason, Mark/Robbie
Words: 4,850
Notes: Big thanks to [livejournal.com profile] halotolerant for yet again being so kind as to beta the fic.


Part One – Armistice

They all remember exactly what they were doing when they heard the news. When they found out, finally, and at long last, that the war was over.




Mark is at the bank. The same bank he left to sign up to fight the good fight. The bank that took him back as a clerk once the army was done with him, a wounded thing good for little else but calculating sums and sending out letters.

He is the only young man at the bank. The other clerks, the tellers, the manager are all either older men or young women. None of them have been in the trenches, none of them quite understand what he's seen, what he's been through. They all try to be kind, but there are days that he finds their kindness the cruelest thing of all.

At least they all know by now not to mention his limp, the halting gait that has ruined him for the dancing he loved so well. They know not to talk about the way he sometimes flinches when someone slams a door.

He is sitting at his desk, balancing a ledger, his fingers stained with ink, when the bells begin to ring. Every bell in Oldham, ringing all at once, the sound so overwhelming that it is a struggle not to stop his ears with his hands, not to crouch, trembling, under his desk as if hiding from an enemy barrage.

There is whispering and talking and shouting, and then Miss Fincham approaches his desk. She's young, younger even than he is, and she has always treated him thoughtfully.

"Isn't it wonderful, Mr Owen," she says, and her eyes alight with a fierce joy. "The war is over."

Mark stares at her in horror, unable to take in what her words mean. The war can't be over. Not for him. He spent the past two years trying to put the war behind him before he finally faced the fact that there will always be some part of him stuck there, in the trenches, in no man's land, terrified and in pain.

He wishes Rob were here. Rob can always drag him back from whatever abyss he's stumbled near. But Rob is on duty at the hospital. Rob's in Liverpool. For now he is alone, alone with his thoughts and his past.

He puts his head down on his desk and weeps.




Rob is walking through the halls of the hospital. The Alder Hey Orthopedic Hospital is in Liverpool, but he doesn't hold that against the place. They treated Mark here, put his leg back together, got him walking and sent him home to Manchester. Rob still works here. Knowing his story, the staff protected him from the army's bureaucracy when he got here, and helped him get an official transfer as soon as it could be managed.

He has spent the morning as he usually does: pushing carts of dirty linen; delivering medicines; doing whatever errands the nurses and doctors send him on. He is walking down one of the long hallways when he sees another orderly running towards him, a great grin on his face. Yates is a big, bluff Scouser who reminds him more than a little bit of Howard. He taught Rob all he needed to know when he arrived, helped him avoid the wrong officers and make friends with the right ones.

"It's over, Rob," Yates, says, clapping him on the back so hard that Rob fears there'll be bruises there tomorrow.

"What's over?" Rob asks, confused.

"The bloody war, you Manc bastard. The generals have signed a bloody peace treaty. Or armistice. Or some bloody thing." Yates is already moving again, heading down to the wards to bring his news to the rest of the lads. "Whatever they call it, it means the fighting's over," he calls back over his shoulder.

Rob stands where he is, frozen in place as he thinks about what this means. No more fighting. No more men brought here in pieces for them to try and put back together. They'll be able to come home, now, Howard and Jay and the captain, and all the others still stuck over there. And maybe, just maybe, this will end Mark's nightmares.

He'd thought everything would be better once they got home. Had thought his prayers had been answered when Mark survived and recovered, when he was discharged from the hospital and discharged from the army. Had thought he'd been given everything he could ask for the first time he and Mark had kissed, the first time he'd unbuttoned Mark's shirt and placed a hand on the pale flesh of his chest, the first time they'd fallen into bed together.

But that first night, and most nights after, Mark had woken up, covered in a sheen of sweat, shaking and silent. No matter how much Rob had asked, Mark had never told him about the nightmares. After a while, Rob had stopped asking. He'd just hold him tightly, stroke his hair and kiss him until his shaking calmed and he drifted back to sleep. Then Rob had stood guard over him until the sun rose, ready to fight off the demons that chased Mark's sleep like hounds after a rabbit, even as he wondered if the nights when Rob wasn't there were better or worse.

He hears murmurs and shouts and cheering coming from the wards as the news spreads throughout the hospital. He shakes himself, and resumes his journey down the hall with renewed purpose. He'll request leave today, beat everyone else to the punch. He has three days coming, and the lieutenant owes him a favour. If he manages it well, and if the trains cooperate, he could have nearly all of those three days with Mark.

They'll celebrate properly. Celebrate and plan for when this is well and truly over, when Rob is demobbed, and can come back to Manchester and make sure he's there to stand guard over Mark's dreams every night.




Gary is in his dugout, sitting at his makeshift desk, when Private Tipton brings him the news. An armistice has been signed. The war is over.

Not soon enough, though.

He puts down his pen and looks at the letter in front of him. A letter to the family of a private killed only yesterday. A good lad he'd been. A good lad who will never return home. Whose family will be left with nothing but a name on the wall of a church memorial instead of a living, breathing son and husband.

Gary bows his head and tries to sort out how he feels, even as he hears the murmurs swell into shouts, into cheers in the trench outside. The men need him out there. They need him to be their voice, their focus, their leader, but he feels nothing but hollow inside.

He wishes Howard were here. Him and Jay both, since you never had one without the other. Wishes they were here to give him a clap on the back, tell him everything would be fine now. But they're not, and they can't and it isn't. He's here on his own.

His new lieutenant comes into the dug out, asking "Have you heard?" and "Isn't it grand?" and "Would you like to talk to the men?" Jenkins is new to the front, new enough that he's barely lost any friends here in the mud and the cold. New enough that he seems impossibly young to Gary. Younger even than Mark had been, was it only two years ago?

But then in other ways, Mark had always seemed an old soul.

He seems older still in the letters he sends to Howard and Jason. Letters they share with their captain. Their friend. The letters tell of his days in the bank, the regular rhythms of home, and Rob's visits, but there is always a sadness underlying them. A melancholy that is in such marked contrast to the friendly boy Gary first knew that sometimes he weeps at the difference. Then Jason will put an arm 'round his shoulder and Howard will make him a cup of tea, and they'll all give thanks that Mark is well out of the fighting. Him and Rob both.

Rob's letter are anything but sad. They are as full of life as the boy himself had always been. Full of the unspoken acknowledgement of how lucky he is to have escaped the front. Full of Mark, as well. Every time he has leave it seems he fetches up at Mark's. Howard and Jason had been right that those two would save each other.

Jenkins is speaking again. "Sir, are you well?"

He can put things off no longer. He rises to his feet, feeling three times his twenty-four years, and moves to join the celebrations.




Howard and Jason are at a dressing station, two miles back from the front lines. Howard watches, gnawing on his lower lip, as a doctor cleans and stitches the wound in Jay's arm. A nasty slice from a German bayonet, but not life-threatening. Not even bad enough to warrant a stay in hospital. Howard knows they'll be sent back up to the line once the doctor has done his work.

He looks at Jay and feels a frown forming on his face. Jay had always been skinny, but now... There's more meat on a butcher's pencil. They've both been wounded--their luck ran out just after Mark's did, and they both now bear more scars than Howard likes to consider--but it always seems to take the most from Jay. And it hadn't helped when the poor bastard had got the flu. It had scared Howard to death at the time, three days of Jay burning up with fever as other members of their platoon came down with the same thing, their lips gone blue, coughing up blood. After a while, Howard lost track of how many men in their trench died from the bloody disease. Jay recovered, but there are days, like today, when it seems there's nowt left of him but a ghost.

Howard winces as the doctor pulls a bit too hard on the needle, and Jay picks that moment to look up.

"Don't look like that," Jay says. "It not you he's stitching up like an old coat."

"If you were an old coat, I'd 'ave slung you in a bin ages ago," Howard says, banishing his worry and Jay's with good-natured slagging.

"Good thing I'm not an old coat, then, isn't it?" And in spite of the pain in Jay's eyes, there's a sparkle in the smile he gifts Howard with.

Any response Howard might have made is interrupted by an orderly bursting breathlessly into the station.

"They've done it," the man says, his expression showing that he doesn't quite believe his own news.

"Done what, man?" the doctor says without looking up. He's clearly irritated at being interrupted, and Howard is irritated at anything that might hurt Jason.

"Signed an armistice, sir. The war's over."




Jason is concentrating on not flinching as his arm is stitched up, so at first he doesn't entirely take in the orderly's words. But he does see Howard's reaction. He always sees Howard's reaction.

Howard freezes for a moment, and even then Jason knows what's coming. Knows How's legs are about to collapse under him.

He ignores the doctor's objections as he pushes him away, and is at Howard's side only a second after he hits the ground. Ignoring the pull from the stitches, he wraps his arms around him as Howard's breaths comes in hard fought sobs.

"It'll be all right," he tells Howard, whispering close into his ear. "It'll all be all right now."

The war is over, the orderly has said, and Jason exults in the news, even as he understands How's reaction. He understands that Howard sometimes locks down his feelings when things are bad, are awful, and then ambush him when the danger is over. He understands why Howard can't stop weeping now.

And yet, upset as he is, Howard still looks after Jason. He clutches Jason's good arm, taking care to avoid his wound, and buries his face in Jason's shoulder.

"Home," Jay says to him, his voice soft in Howard's ear. "We'll be going home."




Part Two – Return

Rob has lost count of how many times he's read the letter. It's not much, just a few short lines scrawled by Howard on what looks like little better than a scrap of paper he found lying about in the transit camp, but it's the best news Rob's had since Armistice Day.

Jay wanted to write this, but he'd write a bloody book before he got to the point, and we only have two minutes to get this in the day's post. The point is, we're coming home. All of us. Me, Jay and Gary. We'll be on the afternoon train on Tuesday, at London Road station. Come if you can. If you can't, we'll come and find you.


I can't believe How's calling the captain, Gary, Rob thinks. And then, Tuesday they'll be home. Tomorrow. They'll all be home tomorrow.

Come if you can, How wrote. As if anything would stop him. Or Mark either. Though it might be better for Mark if he did stay home.

Rob looks down at Mark, sleeping beside him in their bed, the blankets pulled up to his nose. Even in sleep, Mark's face looks drawn, marred by lines of pain that never seem to disappear. But at least his nightmares are less frequent. It's helped, Rob thinks, having him here every night for the past three months. Having Rob to comfort him and pet him and love him when the memories become too much.

Though it makes things hard in other ways, Rob is more than a little thankful that flats and jobs are hard to come by. No one batted an eye when he announced he was sharing rooms with his best friend from the army. Not that he'd had much choice. His mum's house was full when he was finally demobbed, and he's yet to find a job, so it was Mark's flat or sleep rough in the park. His mum is grateful to Mark for giving her son a place to sleep, even if it means having him in Oldham. She's adopted Mark as one of her own, threatening to feed him up every time they go to Stoke for a visit. Rob wonders how she'd react if she knew what their sleeping arrangements were really like. Then again, his mum's a sharp one. Perhaps she already knows.

Mark frowns and turns in his sleep, his hands coming up as if to protect himself from some invisible attacker. Rob puts the letter aside and gently rubs Mark's back, whispering in his ear, telling him he's safe. Mark quiets immediately, turning into Rob's chest. Rob wraps his arms around Mark, enjoying the warmth of his body snuggled against him.

It's moments like this that seem to erase everything he's gone through: the trenches, the barrages, the attacks and counter-attacks. Everything.

He kisses the top of Mark's head, closes his eyes, and waits for sleep to come.




The Channel crossing has been long and stormy, and they're all tired and worn out from the rough seas, from the time in the transit camp, from the last four bloody years of fighting, but Gary doesn't use that as an excuse to sit idle like some of the officers do. He walks up and down the lines of men waiting for the train to arrive, making sure everyone's all right, everyone has what they need. It's what he does. It's what he's always done.

He tries to be even-handed in the attention he gives to each man, but he knows he's not impartial. Howard and Jason, especially Jason, get more than their fair share of his time. They're his friends, the best friends he's ever had, and he'll do anything for them. He pulled rank to get Jason off the cold deck and into a warm cabin during the Channel crossing. And he's the reason they're both, finally and at long last, being demobbed.

So far, only the slip men are being sent home, men lucky enough to be in possession of a slip of paper that proves they have a job waiting for them, and neither Howard nor Jason had the crucial document. The factory Howard had worked for before the war is firing people now, not hiring them back. And Jason had only ever had casual work, even before the war.

But Gary's father manages a factory, and Gary had asked, even begged him to find work for his friends. It had taken time--there were few enough positions, and hundreds of men for every job advertised--but two weeks ago the slips for Howard and Jason had arrived, along with one for Gary himself for a supervisor position he has no intention of taking, and the three of them had begun planning in earnest for their return home.

Now they're on home soil, with only a train ride separating them from Manchester.

There is a sudden stirring on the platform, and Gary looks up to see the train pulling into the station. He hurries to where he last left Howard and Jason. They're still there, Jason nearly asleep on his feet, his meagre reserves done in by this journey, and Howard with his arm around Jason's waist, keeping him upright.

"We're nearly home, lads," Gary says.

Howard merely nods, all his concentration clearly on Jason. Jason gives a weak smile and says "Not before time."

The train puffs and shudders and stops on the platform, and before any orders can be given, anxious and excited men are piling into the carriages. Gary leads the way into a carriage for enlisted men, his rank clearing the path before him and letting him secure seats for his friends. He helps Howard get Jason settled, and gives them both a pat on the shoulder. Jason is asleep nearly immediately, all his energy used up at last. Gary knows he must leave. He belongs with the officers, not taking up a seat meant for an enlisted man, even if this is where his heart is.

"I'll see you at the other end," he says, biting his lip as he awkwardly turns to leave the carriage. He's stopped by a firm grip on his wrist, Howard, holding him fast.

They don't speak, either of them, but they don't have to. Gary puts his free hand over Howard's and gives it a squeeze, then he's gone before either of them can embarrass themselves in front of the other men.

Gary spends the journey to Manchester with his thoughts firmly on the two men in the car behind him, and the two boys they'd sent ahead two years ago, the four of them safe and, mostly, whole. After what he's seen it's a small enough victory, keeping four men safe, but he finds it's the only victory he cares about.




The train carriage jerks and Jason wakes up from a dream of mud and noise and alarm to find himself leaning on Howard's shoulder. How is sleeping, his arm slung around Jason's shoulders, and Jason's own right hand is resting on Howard's leg.

He blinks and shifts, and Howard is immediately awake beside him.

"You all right?" Howard asks, his eyes full of silent concern.

Jason nods and smiles, willing Howard to see that he's all right, really he is. He looks out the train window to avoid the fact of Howard's concern, and drinks in the sight of English farms growing green under English rain. After the battlefields of France and Belgium, all mud and craters and shattered trees, it's the most perfect view he could imagine. It makes him forget the ache in his knee and the catch in his chest that never seems to go away.

"It's beautiful, isn't it?" Jason says, patting Howard's leg before he sits up properly, reluctantly disengaging their limbs. Howard says nothing. He simply follows Jason's gaze and nods, letting himself lean into Jason's arm in a way that Jason knows is anything but accidental.

They sit like that as they travel through the Cheshire countryside, quiet and content in each other's company, as they move ever closer to Manchester. They both ignore the commotion around them, the jokes and laughter and bluff good nature of soldiers returning home after far too long in Europe's killing fields, instead concentrating on the countryside and their awareness of each other. Jason watches as the houses become more frequent and closer together, then, at last, they are in Manchester proper, with the train yards of London Road station looming up ahead of them.

Five months he'd been waiting for this day. Five months since the armistice was signed, since they thought they'd be going home in days, not weeks or months. And now Jason can hardly believe it is happening, even as the platform comes into sight.

"Will they be there to meet us, do you think?" Jason asks as the carriage shudders and the train begins to slow. There is no need to explain who "they" are.

"They'll be there," Howard says with quiet assurance. "I sent the letter, didn't I?"

Jason gives him a look that tells Howard exactly what he thinks of his idea of a letter, but he doesn't complain out loud. After all, Howard is everything to him. Without Howard, he'd have died, whether in the transit camp, or in the trench, or in some water-filled shell crater. Without him now, he knows his heart will die. It matters little whether he can write a proper letter or not.

"I wish you'd let me tell Gary," Jason says. Howard had wanted Rob and Mark turning up to be a surprise for Gary, but Jason was never big on surprises. He always liked to see what was around the corner.

"Tell Gary what?" There's a hand on his shoulder, and Jason looks up to see Gary smiling down at him.

"Did the other officers give you the boot?" Howard says, deflecting Gary's question, his expression stern, but with a twinkle in his eye.

"They're boring, them," Gary says with a smile that shows he's in on the joke. But that's why they finally became friends, the three of them. Gary was never like the other officers. He was always in on the joke. And he always fought for the best for his men. "Thought I'd come back and see how you are."

"We're fine," Jason says, and that's when he sees it, a moment of silent communication between Gary and Howard: a raised eyebrow from Gary, and slight nod from Howard. He knows it's him they're worried about, and he loves them for it, even as he hates the need for their worry. He hates how is body has betrayed him. He vows to get strong again, to heal, so there'll be no need for Howard's protection and Gary's concern.

Gary looks on the verge of saying more, but the train is pulling into the station and a din fills the carriage as soldiers too long from their homeland and their families roar their pleasure. Men surge to their feet, pound each other on the back, shake hands. They rush to the windows to see if they can catch a glimpse of loved ones.




Howard turns his head, and sees the throngs of people on the platform, men, women and children waving and smiling and crying. He reaches out and takes hold of Jay's hand, trusting that no one will notice in the chaos of the carriage. No one does but Gary, who pats his shoulder and gives them both a look of silent understanding.

They stand and are pushed towards the carriage doors, the three of them, and emerge onto the platform. The sound outside is even more tumultuous, even more overwhelming. Howard takes hold of Jay's arm, offering him needed support as they push through the crowds, through men in the arms of their wives and mothers, their brothers and sisters.

A space opens around them as they hit an eddy in the crowd. Howard catches a glimpse of khaki, of green eyes, of a hesitant wave. Rob and Mark, both in uniform, stand before them.

Rob has grown up since they last saw him. He's taller, with the build of a man, not a boy. He still has the cheeky look of mischief he always did, but it's tempered now with experience. With compassion. Mark, though, has changed in ways Howard is sorry to see. He looks sad. He looks...old.

He turns to Jay in time to see a look pass between him and Mark, a look of like recognizing like. They're both too thin, both show the ravages of pain. Both are marked, Jason by the piratical scar on one cheek where a bayonet caught him last year, and Mark by the limp that forces him to walk with a stick now.

But today, of all days, isn't for sad thoughts. Mark and Jason seem to remember that, even if Howard hasn't. Mark's expression changes to that brilliant smile Howard still remembers. Jason grabs him and Gary and pulls them forward, even as Rob yells and Mark waves. Howard is nothing but happy as the five of them hug and cry and whoop.




A week later, they're together again, stuck around a table in the back of a tea shop. Mark is happily jammed in the corner, with Rob on one side of him and Captain Barlow on the other. Howard and Jason sit across from them all, closer together than they need to be, still the old married couple Mark remembers.

"Gary. Call me Gary," the captain is saying for the hundredth time, and for the hundredth time Mark tries to remember that Gary is no longer his commanding officer. Rob, being Rob, has long since leapfrogged from that requested informality to calling him Gaz. A good-natured slagging match breaks out between the two of them, and soon enough they're all laughing, all gleeful, until Mark laughs at the wrong time and inhales his tea and has to have his back pounded by Rob as he splutters and coughs.

But even a tea shop near drowning can't spoil his good spirits.

He sits back, leans against Rob, and watches his friends, content beyond words to have them all back safely on England's shores.

He knows things aren't perfect. Rob is frustrated by the lack of a job. He spent the last of his childhood on the front; now he wants to forge his own life, to make his own way without depending on his mum or Mark. Not that either begrudge him anything they have.

Howard and Jason have jobs, courtesy of Gary's father, but as yet no place to live. They're both camped out at their parents' homes, but everyone knows they want a flat together. Mark calculates whether he could stick an extra mattress in his tiny flat and thinks they could just about fit one in the sitting room. It would do for now, if the two of them didn't mind sharing. Watching How sling his arm around Jay, and Jay lean into the support, Mark doesn't reckon they'll mind at all.

Howard is the same as ever, still gruff and silent and ridiculously shy when strangers are about. Jason, however, is different. He's skinnier than Mark remembers, and self-conscious as he never was before. He flinches when he notices the waitress averting her eyes from the scar that mars his face, and Mark wishes he had the nerve to give the silly girl a talking to, to make her realize what a beautiful man Jay still is.

Gary is the one he doesn't know nearly as well as he'd like to, but he's confident that will soon change. After all, he knows him through Howard and Jason's letters, through the kindnesses he's given his friends. And it was Gary who sent Rob off in an ambulance with him, ensuring Mark would have his best friend near as he recovered. Gary is the finest gentleman Mark's ever met. Which was more than could be said for many other officer's he encountered at the front.

"Oi, Markie," Rob says, elbowing him gently in the ribs. "Why so quiet?" Rob ruffles his hair. "What's going on in that funny little loaf of yours?"

"I dunno," Mark says, suddenly shy about confessing his feelings, his hopes, his fears. But there is one thing he can tell Rob and the others. "I guess I was just thinking how happy I am."

Rob's face takes on an expression of pure joy. Glancing around the table, Mark sees Jason clutch tightly at Howard's hand, sees a suspicious glistening in Gary's eyes.

It's enough, it's all he could have hoped for, it's too much.

It's perfect.

Date: 2011-06-13 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mad-lemming-89.livejournal.com
Oh, I agree! If I'm honest I'm too young to remember Take That their first time around, but from everything I've devoured since getting into them - books, interviews, etc. - I've always gotten the impression that in the 90s Gary was often on the outside looking in, but not actually realising that was the case until he got a bit older and wiser. And it's always little things that lead me to that conclusion as well - there's an interview close to their break up wherein Mark spoke about the first time they all went clubbing together and Gary was like a complete fish out of water because he'd never been anywhere like that before, and Mark sounded simultaneously amused by it and sorry for him as well. Gary's actually oddly complex in a way you don't realise until you sit down and think about it, whereas the others I'd say are more obviously complicated...

I'm so sorry, this turned into an unnecessarily longwinded reply! XD

Date: 2011-06-13 05:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] przed.livejournal.com
I was too old the first time around (in grad school) and also on the wrong side of the Atlantic, so I'd never heard of them until I saw Robbie and Glasto in '98, and then didn't get into them until they were on the Brits this year, so I'm even further behind than you.

But yes, Gary is fascinatingly complex, which I wouldn't have thought on first look. Halo recommended his autobiography, and while I was initially skeptical, I devoured it all in less than a week and have re-read key passages since. He definitely seemed to hold himself apart the first time 'round, but has obviously become more self-aware as he's got older and, yes, wiser, and thrown himself more into looking after everyone. And they are all of them interestingly complicated, which is making getting into the fandom so very much fun.

Unnecessarily longwinded replies are awesome!

Date: 2011-06-14 11:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mad-lemming-89.livejournal.com
Hee! :D I'd never heard of them before I kept hearing 'Patience' on the radio and was scrabbling about trying to find out who it was by - luckily [livejournal.com profile] littlemoose then introduced me to the entire Beautiful World album and within a week I was completely hooked on them. Funny how quickly you can get into this fandom, isn't it?

I got his book in the first month I moved to university (my parents came down for the day and we ended up in a bookshop and oh my goodness, that was almost three years ago, what) and I just blazed through it as well! I just love all the fascinating little insights that it gives you into their relationships with one another and Nigel and other people, and the kind of life they all had. I think that's part of what makes him really fascinating - the whole rise and fall and rise again thing. I keep telling people the band's story would make a brilliant biopic film and people just look at me oddly, heh!

Date: 2011-06-15 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] przed.livejournal.com
After [livejournal.com profile] halotolerant had pretty much already hooked me with YT vids and fic, the Beautiful World tour was the first concert DVD I watched. It was game over from that point forward, not just because the concert itself was awesome--it was--but because of the extra documentary and the commentary track they did. The care that they clearly take in creating the shows just pushed me over the edge, and I've been happily falling down that cliff ever since. There is just something about the boys, and the fandom, that inspires falling very hard, very fast.

I keep telling people the band's story would make a brilliant biopic film and people just look at me oddly, heh!

You're completely right. It would make a brilliant biopic! There's the rise and fall and rise stuff, which is one its own not necessarily that extraordinary for a pop band, but then there's how open they all are about discussing their emotions, and the fact that you've got five very interesting, very different, very strong personalities. And then there's the added bonus of how very high they've managed to rise on that second bounce. It's all utterly fascinating.

Date: 2011-06-15 08:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mad-lemming-89.livejournal.com
It was the Ultimate Tour that [livejournal.com profile] littlemoose got me with! Specifically the Relight sequence and that moment between Howard and Jason. I was gone immediately. XD That's another thing I love about them, though - the theatricality of their shows. To me it's not only a sign of effort and creativity but that they also care about their fans enough to not just put on a show but the biggest and best show you've ever seen.

Yes, that's what I think! And I think the difference between their initial rise and fall was the sheer animosity between Gary and Robbie that there was - that's quite rare, I think, in a band's breakup. There might be bad blood between other bands but nothing that devastatingly public and volatile. Plus all the hidden behind the scenes feelings that the others had with Nigel (that Nigel is still kicking up a fuss about and denying to this day) - I think that's another level that other bands don't share. But it's a classic story with a happy ending and I think in fifteen, twenty years or so, someone should make that film. XD

(Apologies for if this sounds a bit daft or weird but, would you mind if I added you as a friend on here? :) I love me a meta fandom discussion, I do, lol!)

Date: 2011-06-15 10:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] przed.livejournal.com
I was initially a bit iffy on their older songs, so it took me a while to get the Ultimate Tour disc. I have now happily embraced the older song, and yes, that moment between Howard and Jason is absolutely fantastic. (How/Jay is rapidly becoming my pairing of choice, thought How/Jay/Markie is also starting to be something I'm rather fond of.)

The Gary and Robbie animosity really is quite vitriolic. That clip of Robbie at the Brits that always gets trotted out, claiming "I was always the talented one in Take That" just guts me every time. And Nigel definitely provides a mutual villain to the piece. And given all the crap that happened, the fact that they've managed to patch it all up, and not only make it work professionally, but seem to have re-established quite strong friendships makes it all so very special. Someone should totally make that film.

Yes, you can totally add me as a friend! I need more TT fen on my friends list. (I'm sure my Pros friends think I'm totally mad with the TT stuff, and I also love me a meta fandom discussion. *g*) And I shall friend you back!

Date: 2011-06-15 10:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mad-lemming-89.livejournal.com
I tend to love their 90s songs in a 'Oh, these are so cheesy and I adore that' kind of way; I think having been a 90s kid means anything with that kind of bubblegum pop sound just sends my into instant nostalgia. XD Although I'll argue forever that Back For Good is one of the best breakup songs ever, regardless of who it's by. I absolutely love Howard/Jason, it's definitely one of my favourites! For me, any combo of Howard, Gary and Jason is a winner for me, so it makes me a bit sad that there seems to be very little love for Howard/Gary or Gary/Jason. But then again, I'll ship the five of them any which way and still enjoy it. XD

Ooh, yes, that clip is a real kicker! D: That makes me wince whenever I see it too. I can listen to No Regrets again after quite a long time of not being able to once I discovered it was about Take That, but the line "Where has Gary Barlow gone?" in 'I Tried Love' is a real suckerpunch, especially if you heard the song after Progress, like I did! Yes, Nigel is definitely the villain type; he really didn't help that image that fans have of him with all his snark and nastiness after Progress and Look Back, Don't Stare came out. I love that they've all managed to make up though; it weirdly gives me hope that life will always turn out for the best.

Added! :D

Date: 2011-06-15 01:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] przed.livejournal.com
I'm an '80s kid, and since I'm on the wrong side of the pond, never heard TT back in the day, so I didn't have the nostalgia thing going for me with the older songs. But yes, Back for Good is a perfect break up song, and Never Forget simply epic.

Ya know, I really really like Gary--he seems the most mature of the lot of them-- but I don't know that I'll ever fancy him enough to pair him with any of the other lads. But that could always change. ;-) I didn't like him at all at the start.

I think what kills me most about that Brits clip is that I vaguely remember watching it at the time, and laughing when Robbie said it. In my defense, I didn't know who any of the others were in the band, and just knew them as sort of the punchline to a joke.

My SO and I were at Glastonbury in '98, when Robbie had a headlining gig on the mainstage, which was the first either of us had heard of him, or TT. I remember the SO reading Robbie's bio in the programme book out loud in our tent, including the infamous Oasis at Glasto incident, and the two of us giggling because it all sounded so ridiculous. Now, of course, I just find that whole era utterly gutting.

I've had the same change in perspective with No Regrets, too. Because I was a Robbie fan first (the Glasto gig converted me) I just saw No Regrets as a killer song. Even when I found out it was about TT, that just made it an interesting historical footnote for me. But in the last few months, since I've gotten into TT, No Regrets is now almost unbearable to listen to. And that final line--"I guess the love we once had is officially dead"--can practically make me weep now. The fact that they're all singing that on the Progress tour is just extraordinary.

I'd forgotten the Gary Barlow line in I Tried Love, but it's been a while since I've listened to Escapology. Shall have to brace myself and put that one on the iPod for a listen.

I had no idea Nigel was still being a snarky arse, even now. He's definitely well deserving of the villain label. That they've all made up does give me hope that reasonable, well-meaning people will always manage to work things out.
Edited Date: 2011-06-15 01:05 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-06-16 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mad-lemming-89.livejournal.com
Oh, Never Forget - that song is really highly emotionally charged for me at the moment because I'm in my last fortnight at university; I'll be hearing it live just 5 days after I move back home so I'm expecting I'll be quite... undignified, shall we say? ;)

Weirdly, Gary was the first one of the lads that I latched onto as I started getting into them - I thought his voice was just beautiful - and then I noticed Jason and he has been my favourite ever since! The tango dancing during It Only Takes A Minute... ooh, that red shirt/white jeans combo gets me every damn time, honestly!

I was kind of in the same boat as you, actually; I was too young to remember Take That, but I recall sitting in the car one day and Neil Fox of Captial Radio introducing this song - I must have been somewhere around 8 or 9 at the time? - and it was Angels, and I feel in love with it instantly. So did my dad, and he bought 'The Ego Has Landed', and I kept stealing it off him to play in my room! Still kept nicking every Robbie disc he bought for years after that - now he nicks mine! XD

So, Rob was who I was a fan of first - I cajoled my dad into recording the Knebworth gig on videotape off a pay-per-view channel for me - and I was vaguely aware he'd been in some boyband at some time but I didn't know the name of it and at the time I didn't much care. And then he seemed to sort of disappear after Rudebox and I moved on musically (though I still kept playing his CDs), until one day I heard Patience on the radio and fell in love with that as well. And now they're one big happy whole again and it makes me happy.

Ooh, I didn't know they all did No Regrets together this tour! Oh, I bet that's going to be extraordinary to listen to - I'll be tearful, I think! In regards to Escapology, it was the only one my dad missed buying, I think, so I'd just never heard it. I found it recently one day when I was out shopping and wondered how on earth there's managed to be a Robbie album I'd missed! It's a bit difficult to listen to though in some places - I Tried Love is hilarious (that last verse!) apart from that one line, but Nan's Song is possibly the saddest song I've ever heard in my life.

He is! I stumbled across an interview he did just after Progress came out and he basically called it all sorts of synonyms for 'shit'. But considering it's gone multi-platinum and pretty much all the critics loved it, it's safe to say not many people agree with him...

Date: 2011-06-17 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] przed.livejournal.com
First off, I'm so sorry I spoiled you on No Regrets! Since I have no chance of seeing the tour until the DVD is out, I went nuts and sought out set lists and reviews and pics immediately after the first show. I keep forgetting that there are people who haven't seen the shows yet and may not want to be spoiled. Mea culpa.

Your last fortnight of uni! That will make Never Forget an extremely special song. Awesome.

I do agree that Gary has quite a beautiful voice. The problem is I'm not generally one for beautiful voices. My faves bands in high school were The Who and The Police, and both Roger Daltrey and Sting score more on the interesting rather than beautiful side of the voice range. Interesting is what usually grabs me, which is no doubt why I've got hung up on Mark. His voice is not beautiful, but it has lots of interesting textures and I find that irresistible.

On Jason, and the tango dancing, however, we can completely agree. Jason seems the sanest of the lot of them, and also just a lovely man. Not to mention sexy. *g*

I think it's brilliant that you and your dad got into Robbie, and you kept knicking his disks. (I have to admit that I'm rather hoping the TT love rubs off on my daughter. So far I've got her singing Patience. *g*)

I've just stuck Escapology on my iPod. I quite liked it when it came out, but it had been a while since I'd given it a listen. And wow, Nan's Song really is the saddest song ever. (Doesn't help that I've lost my dad and an aunt I was very close to in the last couple of years. I had to kill the song after the first verse or I would have been a mess.)

As for Nigel, I have one word for him: twat!


Date: 2011-06-17 07:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mad-lemming-89.livejournal.com
Oh no, don't worry! I'm fine with setlist spoilers - it's photos and videos and 'AND THEN THIS AMAZING THING HAPPENED' squee that I'm avoiding like the plague! ;) Luckily it's all worked out marvellously so far and I know not a single jot about anything in the show bar a couple of songs and some incredibly pretty jackets.

I know what you mean about Mark's voice! You're right, it's charming in its own unconventional way. I was chatting with my friend yesterday while we were presenting our radio show - we were playing Shine at the time - and he said how Mark's got a very unusual voice, but we both ended up agreeing how it was actually a good thing, because it makes him distinctive and so a song like Shine really stands out among other songs on the radio. You can't mistake him (or Robbie, for that matter) for other people. But I think all the lads have their own strengths when it comes to singing and different songs really showcase those more strongly than others.

Oh, I'm sorry! I relate though - my grandpa died two years ago, and he was also my godfather so I always felt especially connected and close to him, so when I first heard Nan's Song I cried the entire way through it. Thank everything I was in my bedroom on my own at the time, heh!

Yes, that's the perfect word to sum up Nigel!

Date: 2011-06-18 01:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] przed.livejournal.com
I shall avoid talking about the tour until after you've seen it then. (And I'll try not to be jealous.*g* Tomorrow night in Dublin was the only date I could have possibly made, and since I'm not currently sitting in a plane crossing the Atlantic, looks like it's just the DVDs for me. Ah well...next time.)

It's brilliant your friend also likes Mark's voice. And you're right that they all have different strengths vocally. The one that's really surprised me is Jason. He has a very sweet voice. Wooden Boat and How Did It Come to This have really come to be favourites of mine.

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